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The money is just a tool–a “means of exchange” to… Read more ». Dave Ramsey is a huge anti-OWS person. But a little crazy in its execution. Fagan breaks down what she calls “the secret language and behaviors of wealth”. Except, of course, for those paying for the government. Newsflash: They give the most money to charity, because they have the most money to give! I also think a big difference is support to be thinking rich. Horatio Alger in hizzhouse…, I don’t think often is the right word in the sense that athletes don’t go pro often, bands don’t get signed often, and actors/actresses don’t make it big often. Pointing out that the rates are different between whites and blacks doesn’t prove there some mystical “difference” between whites and blacks that transcends rationality. For example, I sometimes find I am too risk-adverse. I think it will. The breakdown of the black family is a sensitive topic, though it's not new and it's not in dispute. Centuries of injustice can do a lot of distorting. For example, I know several dirt poor immigrants who worked their way up to middle class once they came to the U.S.–through a mindset composed of exactly the qualities in the posted lists! Well, in general, maybe. As a whole people are more likely to end up making less money in the future… Read more », Barnetto: I respectfully disagree and argue that your stock rendition of the data (Business Insider link) is part of the problem, not part of the solution. (I agree with Eker. However most of my crisis situations were self induced. It doesn’t help that one in three black men have done time and one in eight have a felony record. Money,… Read more », I LOVE this comment, which sumarizes (with much more eloquence) my thoughts while reading this post. Occipital face area? It’s all up to me. However, you’ll still see a noticeable difference in behavior. Very true. I don’t know a single person who thinks of themselves as ‘Poor’ or as ‘Rich’. And actually poverty rate disparity for race disappears when you factor for single parenthood. But it's wrong to suggest that whites bear no responsibility. If there is a persistent problem with racism, and I see no reason to think there isn’t, then the issues brought up in the comments here may as well be tools wielded by the latent racists of our society. Scientific research provides compelling data to support the anecdotal evidence that giving is a powerful pathway to personal growth and lasting happiness. Less racism, yes — no racism, no. Do check out the article on Gates. You’re likely to get burnt. @SKP — I agree with you there! Each poses a huge hurdle to those who would prefer to be independent. When you eliminate the consequences of abandoning children, then unsurprisingly children get abandoned.”. He argues that rising inequality and stagnant wages by quintile do not matter because people start at lower wages but over time they will leap to higher income quintiles. And I'm not going to lie, parts of it did make me sad, especially when I compared my home life to other kids'. Both are more or less positioned as truths (but immediatly disclaimed by saying: my personal experience). Let’s see if I can be as trite and ignorant as this list… Rich people believe: “I create my life.” Poor people believe: “Life happens to me.” – Because they can afford to Rich people play the money game to win. Agreed. Studies show that black people actually use drugs less often than white people do, but are far more likely to be arrested, charged, and convicted for drug crimes (and on average get longer sentences even when all else is equal). I would say that both lists are true, but these characteristics are not exclusive. It’s the same argument about taxes. Excellent! Why? They accept the default without question. It could be like the matter/antimatter of derp. See my recent article about money blueprints.). Corley also appeared on an episode of the Afford Anything podcast. Are you also married to Morgan Fairchild and an accomplished weight lifter? It's a journey of discovery -- there are moments on mountaintops and moments in deep valleys of despair." His key fact: Nearly one-fourth of black babies were born to unwed mothers. These principles aren't applicable to all people. Why are we insisting on looking at black poverty as something altogether different than white poverty? . Haven’t begun reading the comments, but I’m pretty sure its rather pristine logic will be lost on most of the regulars. "Once you say you're going to settle for second, that's what happens to you in life." It’s about the mindsets and lessons he learned from his biological dad (Phd, but couldn’t get ahead) and his best friend’s dad who didn’t graduate, but became one of the richest men on Hawaii. This is my second time to read him. So what does being poor mean? I think there’s a lot of truth to this. A friend of mine teaches in a private high school — you should hear her stories! So basically if racism could be a cause it must be the cause. He’s completely out of control and no one will even try to stop him. I completely agree too. This is a mentality can be passed down through generations. Now about European colonialism… well, I´m Brazilian. I expect plenty of minority-owned businesses would be happy to hire friends and neighbors if they didn’t need a labor lawyer to tell them how. His ten “distinctions” — in order of importance — are: Some of the items on Smith's list seem to be derived from Eker's philosophy. Although he has the huge windfall, he still ends up broke because he thinks like a poor person. It’s just the logical conclusion. One can imagine that it helped a lot that Gates was a… Read more », With both these books, these questions come to my mind. (wink, wink!). Life is about creating yourself." (I can't recall that we were ever on government assistance, but it's certainly possible. It went through hard times because those with power wanted to maintain what they had and exclude other Brazilians. I don’t believe in using government to force people to behave according to a certain work ethic. Sure, that’s true, but so is the axiom it takes money to make money. If you know something you must tell us! So who really pays more? You really think the state wanted a rising and politically conscious group to just continue unabated? It doesn’t take a lot of stifling to have a ripple effect. I’ll just point out that from my experience living in poor black communities that there is also a certain amount of self-selection involved in the demographic make up of neighborhoods. There’s nothing empowering – OR thought-provoking – in a list of lies. He does his best to provide accurate, useful info, but makes no guarantee that all readers will achieve the same level of success. I thought of his list as describing personality traits — you know like “introvert” or “extrovert.” I think a person can have natural tendencies one way or the other, but if the person wants to make a change it’s good to know how to do so. I have so many more options now than I ever did when I was a boy, when my family was poor. Jason Riley, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, claims that "family structure offers a much more plausible explanation of these outcomes than does residual white racism." It doesn’t matter, he’ll just ignore the courts. "Believe that life is worth living and your belief will help create the fact." None. They are not likely to get married or stay married. The things we had and said and did were “lower class”, even if I didn't know it at the time. Rich kids have many of the same problems that middle class and poor kids do — drinking, drugs, pregnancies, truancy, crime, etc. Keep going! Oh, and decriminalizing drug use would help some, as would a general relaxation of regulation and licensing so poor people could start a business without a lawyer’s advice. No it isn’t. You don’t take the same 100,000 guys and increase all of their incomes by 275% over 91 years. "Life is not about how fast you run or how high you climb, but how well you bounce." But I keep thinking about this subject, and I think it’s worthy of discussion. I always though Rich Dad/Poor Dad was a metaphor and not to be taken literally. If somebody needed another to watch kids, we were there for each other. I think more people would be better off if they did the same… Read more », “Poor people have a mentality that they are owed something or that the *system* is working against them. Q: “How the fuck can slavery be more relevant to a black man in 2015 than it was to a black man in 1965 or 1925?”. Do you think that black families are poorer or more discriminated against today than in 1955? You know, as a super-leftie socialist hippie from a poor family, I came into this list expecting to hate it. Bus Boy Trees! Poor people become rich. "Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up." Money is something that a lot of people have trouble with and its hard to live a comfortable or fulfilling life without it. I find this post inapppropriate for this blog.It sounds like someone said “JD you haven’t had any really good knock downs on your blog lately, and I think you need to come up with one”. I don’t know why so many people… Read more ». I almost lost respect for you for posting these demeaning “collective” statements and buying into groupthink. You gave them that one step required to move them onwards and upwards? And welfare seems to ensure that children do inherit their parents disadvantages. And even if we don’t agree with the lists, I’m sure there are some elements that we do agree with. Rosa Parks, 11. Everyone agrees. Blacks aren’t smart enough to effectively manage their own lives, so when blacks fail, en mass it’s whitey’s fault for not paternally managing them well enough. Also, even for legitimate crimes, one doesn’t have to think it’s ok to commit them to point out and criticize disparities in treatment, and the effects that can have. And really, how racist can we be if we elected a black president? I agree that subsidizing single moms isn’t helping any, but sending dads to prison creates families led by single moms. I’m getting so I truly don’t know who to read for credible PF advice. So whatever the government does or doesn’t do and whatever white people do or don’t do doesn’t change the fact that things aren’t going to get better for you unless you make them better. Check out my article on how to build confidence and destroy fear. ‘I’m from California, we’re chill here.’ ‘Dude! Franklin D. Roosevelt, 17. — about how the mindsets of the wealthy and the poor differ. The fact that the guy who said that is the same guy who came up with Bus Boy Trees should give you pause, DN. My aim for myself — and for you, the readers of Get Rich Slowly — is to both be aware of the defaults and to question them. I felt so ashamed. Then, near the end, he started plugging his book. "Life is not a problem to be solved, but a reality to be experienced." And they’re arrivng by the millions at the same time automation is about to utterly shred demand for unskilled labor. The War on Drugs and incarceration rates have skyrocketed, crime increased in the 60s and 70s (though it’s declined since then), all of these things are significant difference from the situation 50-60 years ago. Poor people focus on obstacles. I think statistics easily show some evidence that the War on Drugs is largely being fought on racial lines — indeed, it was probably set up to impact blacks more than whites. before then Mexicans came here to work and went back to Mexico (an estimated 5M from 1943 until the INA of 1965 ? While it’s not out of the question… Read more », There are some people who are value money above all else and will do whatever they need to in order to obtain as much of it as possible, and based on this devotation naturally exhibit many of the characteristics on the list. Lou Holtz, 50. The problem of why are poor people poor is not an either/or question of mentality vs circumstances. Most people aren’t like us, they mostly know what they hear from the major media, and aren’t interested in digging any deeper. I’ve had clients – a couple – with a combined income in the $300k range tell me that they can’t make ends meet. See also: Our privacy policy and terms of use. We need some relaxation of regulation so that more people can be entrepreneurs in the black community. If the values don’t actually match the person they’re being attached to on both sides, then it’s meaningless to say ‘this is how the rich think’, It’s the equivalent of saying ‘rich people wear green’. Blacks simply have always been different culturally, really don’t know why. Blaming others… Brazil didn’t go through hard times in the 60’s because of US involvement. Yet when slavery ended, the slaves emerged with a strong spirit and indeed an outright entrepreneurial one (at least, where such entrepreneurship was permitted). Why do you think it’s fair that only the middle class and wealthy should get to exempt the first $26K or so (for a family of four) from taxes, while the poor shouldn’t be able to exempt the same amount from taxes simply because they don’t make enough money to have any left over to tax? It takes an exceptional person to “escape” a really crappy childhood. The guy in the top 1% in 1917 is not the same guy as in 2008. Those with money have more choices. They are poor, uneducated and unskilled. (Obviously there are some cases where SOME peole wise up and get off the government welfare,… Read more », Should there be just as many, more, or less people in the US who have the mentality/strategy to change their social class as there are in other developed countries such as the UK, Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, etc? I began this 8-months ago and immediately was bringing home at least $77 per hour. And, of course because you saw through the systemic racism that caused this then for sure you hired them anyway, right? It’s institutionalized from interpersonal biases of gatekeepers, to laws with disparate impact. CN, I wish it was on purpose. Get ready for more wars and a 2nd round of full out war on the middle class. The concentration of poverty in inner cities means many black children are exposed daily to crime and violence. What is the takeway from this supposed to be? People can get worked up into a lot of bluster over slavery. Not to mention a doubling down on the WOD. Well, it turns out nobody I’ve asked this question to even knows a racist. Wayne Dyer, 49. One has to give. While I haven’t read Eker’s book, through other books I’ve read and classes I’ve taken, I have started changing the way I think. I am reading Eker right now. No state can sustain the sort of rampant welfare spending women demand indefinitely. Many of the comments seem like denying that the mindset plays enormous role in getting rich. If their poor family structure and or discrimination is such a problem for black Americans how is it that they dominate the most desired jobs in the USA, professional and NCAA football and basketball? (So too, I think, do other members of our extended family who also grew up poor.). If they end up in prison because of unjust laws, it is the libertarian position that they shouldn’t be there and that the laws shouldn’t exist. All of which kept them ineligible for the jobs we were hiring for. Nelson Mandela, 40. Helen Keller, 19. In my opinion the war on drug users has done more to hurt black families than welfare. For these differences to be ususefull at all in your life: wich of these (if they hold up to hard facts at all) are mere correlations… Read more ». 2008, 2009 – interesting dates. It is a combination of bad law and bad effects the laws have on the population. Don’t you think someone that did all those things to his employees might get a bad rep around and be avoided by potential employees? I remember reading Eker’s list years ago and thinking they were an over-simplification of the difference between rich and poor. Not holding this view is very rare in poor people, which, bred in adverse circumstances rarely take charge over their lives and actually take steps to change them. So we pour money into the ghettos and celebrate those people who think studying is “white” which has had the effect of growing this subculture. Maybe the wealthy donate more dollars, but in terms of a percentage of income, the most generous Americans are those who earn between $5000 and $30,000 per year. What we are seeing today can only be explained by complacency and/or dependence, not this bullshit modern “poverty”. Though I didn’t invent it. Congress seems like a bunch of neutered little sheep. The… Read more ». So thank you, JD, for both posting the lists and directing reasonable skepticism towards them both. There is no racism anymore David. It was very sobering. But if you have to hire and fire scads of workers on a weekly basis, it is tremendously INEFFICIENT. I will bet the vast majority of people won’t even notice. Life is a gift that has been given to you. You must know what you want from life. The fact that the modern worker has to be more skilled than grandpa did is all the more reason for government to get out of the way and stop breeding a culture of dependency. I’m sure Jim Crow or slavery may have had an effect. Using the data in his chart I see that 50% of people stay in their original income bracket, ~24% will move up income brackets, and ~27% will go down income brackets. It’s hard to find good information on this though because the only studies that seem to talk about urbanization of blacks have, shall we say, a significant political bias to them. THAT really helps with employment! Sure, in a context it might be somehow “explained” but it’s still idiotic. My bet is that the countries that do well… Read more ». That was my first thought as well. Truly, this has been a pointless discussion. That sure seems like a personal decision on the part of both the man and the woman–society certainly isn’t forcing unprotected sex on them. He is saying that these decisions were made *before* these folks were rich or stuck in a bad situation. “Poor people are uncomfortable overall with thinking about money and planning on getting richer–they “put down” such thoughts as evil and grasping, and they often spend or give money away quickly when they do get it to demonstrate how much they dislike money (for example sports stars or lottery winners who go bankrupt despite their billions….). Growing up poor may be beneficial for development if you have the self-awareness to tear apart your soul and look within for resilience. Hopefully, the take away is to become active and vocal in helping to change bad laws: welfare eligibility, minimum wage law, regulation and credential laws, EEOC, etc. We just all have so many opinions! Yeah dude. She has been without work for five months but last month her payment was $17746 just working on the laptop for a few hours. Today, my life is very different than it was when I was growing up. My experience is that most immigrants get a lot of help, whether from family already here or private organizations or the government. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future." But let’s say we do assume we are in a race with other people, and get stuck over the fact that many have a head start over us. For the rich person, a $100 ticket is miniscule in proportion to their wealth – they may even have that much in their wallet that they can pay without blinking. In what way do does it help you or your family to cling to a sweeping generalization like this? I don’t think the fact that some of the most adamant opposition to changing the policies in question would come from the white community is something you should just gloss over. They don’t give it away for the tax breaks (the break is always less than if they’d just kept the money and paid tax on it), they don’t do it for publicity – they do it because believe it or not, they’re good, altruistic people and they… Read more ». As more Senators test positive for Covid-19. What your data is telling us is that a smaller number of people are contributing a disproportionate amount of value to society than before. It looks like these aren’t so much distortions but the norm. Or, were you just being reasonable? Your comment “instead of seeing a life where help isn’t necessary” strikes me as condescending and is akin to blaming the sick for being sick. The chicken came first. 2. GOVERNMENT is now instituting a policy of “benign neglect” towards blacks, because the future, growing Hispanic vote is more important. These Bus Boy ’ s here to help others., dad most... Can escape poverty I decided to look into it. writing don ’ t drug... 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